Within the newest episode of the Orvis podcast, Tom Rosenbauer sits down with Chris Jordan, a scientist with the Nationwide Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Jordan focuses on habitat restoration, and in his view, we’re “fixing” trout streams all mistaken. Based on Jordan, our vanity makes us suppose that we will “engineer river methods” to adapt to our personal expectations of them, as a substitute of permitting them to be the wild, free-flowing entities they honestly are. Jordan advocates for a broader method that focuses on watersheds as a substitute of particular person rivers.

It’s a thought-provoking dialogue, particularly as we’re seeing dams come down on the Klamath River, and a renewed push for dam removing on the Snake River.

You possibly can hearken to the podcast right here.

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